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Listening will achieve more than vilifying

September 30 2019

I feel some important points need to be made here. Whichever ‘side’ you are on in this debate. This culture of insulting the other ‘side’ is counter productive and only serves to alienate people. Leading to an entrenchment of their position. When has calling someone an ‘idiot’, ‘get a life’, ‘you’re a sheeple’, ‘join the human race’, ‘you’re a
f...wit/d...head’ etc EVER won a discussion or argument? Seriously? In the history of time when have insults and vicious verbal/written attacks ever won an argument? Please remember on both sides of this are parents who love their children and want to protect them and do the best for their health and well-being. I sit in the middle on this issue as, having done extensive research on both sides, there are compelling arguments for both opinions. Contrary to what I see written on social media, all the parents I have met or read about who are cautious or anti vax, are not stupid or ill informed. They do not think the earth is flat, wear tin foil on their heads etc They have either had or know a child who has had a bad reaction to a vaccine. Or they have read articles on some concerning facts which are not widely covered in the media.

If you wish to convert someone from a point of view, you need to know where they are coming from and why they hold that view. I assure you it’s not because they are stupid or following the crowd. I suggest you research what the anti vax side are saying. There are a surprising number of Drs expressing concerns and some very smart lawyers etc questioning the standard view. Look up Robert Kennedy Junior’s opinions on this. He’s a very clever lawyer who could be doing much easier, more financially rewarding and less stressful work. But, chooses to challenge the drug companies on their safety record and known history of criminal activity in all other areas of their pharmaceuticals.

Few realise that even in America where litigation is widespread, you cannot sue the drug companies for any side effects from vaccines. They are totally immune from prosecution. Once you see where the ‘other side’ are coming from you can have a better conversation. Let’s stop this Witch hunt and demonisation of concerned parents who’s only crime is not agreeing with you. Thank you.

The other side.

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  • Daniel

    Ok I will refrain from call you a dickhead - publicly. Can you please name any of the "surprising numbers of Drs who are expressing concerns" please. I would be very surprised if you can name any other than some fake Doctors name you found on a conspiracy theory website somewhere.
    Also although the vaccine makers can't be directly sued in the U.S. for mandated (compulsory) child vaccines there is a scheme similar to our ACC scheme called the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which compensates anyone injured by a vaccine.
    We all know in extremely rare instances some children have had adverse reactions and even died as a result of vaccination but anti-vaxers need to stop reading fake news on the internet and vaccinate children so as a whole the country is better. If we had no vaccines hundreds or thousands would die every year, with vaccines it is just a few. Very sad for those involved but true. Anti-vaxers are promoting beliefs that KILL CHILDREN. Wake up to yourself - vaccinate your kids.

    Posted 30/09/2019 3:04pm (5 months ago)

  • Cat

    “If you never practice critical thinking, then you simply see what you are taught to see“

    Posted 03/10/2019 9:58am (5 months ago)

  • MJM

    I could not agree more, and well done LWB on publishing this! I chose to delay and partially vaccinate my children so I also fit into the 'on the fence' category. Yet I have still been called a 'baby killer' by a potty mouthed pro vaxxer. Ironically I have found medical staff in this town to be much more understanding and kind than crazy eyed mums on facebook.

    Posted 03/10/2019 10:00am (5 months ago)

  • Research everything

    Read this maybe?

    Here’s a Dr taking about it :

    And this one:

    Thx for not calling me a dickhead - publicly

    Posted 03/10/2019 9:53pm (5 months ago)

  • Daniel

    @Research everything.
    Thanks for those links. I looked at them all. All three are simply OPINION pieces. In the world of journalism an opininion piece is simply that - an opinion. Anybody can write anything on the internet or put a clip on Youtube but it doesn't make it fact.
    What would you say to the un-immunised people who passed on measles to the two expectant mothers who subsequently lost their babies due to measles in Auckland last week? Had they have been vaccinated those two women would have never contracted measles and their babies would have still be growing in the womb now. Instead they are dead. - because of people like you who believe in conspiracy theories. I can find plenty of similar "opinion" pieces that will tell you the earth is flat, the 9/11 twin towers attack was a set up by the CIA, the moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood basement etc, etc. You should research FACTS, not opinion pieces.

    Posted 07/10/2019 2:44pm (5 months ago)

  • Daniel

    Hey @Research Everything. After 2 months still no reply from you. How is that anti-vax thing going in Samoa for you and your fellow fake news believers? Last count around 63 un-immunised people (mainly children) dead. Immunised people still alive. Just sayin...

    Posted 08/12/2019 11:20am (3 months ago)